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Chopper Rollins Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 260	Posted - 2013.10.16 09:26:00 - [1] - Quote Confirming null is way easier to make spaec moneys in. Way easier. Look i'm a grownup with things to do and can't dedicate 4-6 hr chunks of a day to eve. Would love to, but no. I buy a plex or two and sell it on the market if i need isk and so my focus is on what i'm doing and who with. So much concern with isk/hr comes from oddball loners who know everything and aren't willing to take their place in a group they can't dominate. 20m ticks? I'm pleased for you son but that's approaching 4$ per hour. You'd be better off stuffing envelopes and buying plex on the market from some rmt bot. Spaec adventure gaem, chaps, not spaec job. Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good.
Chopper Rollins Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 261	Posted - 2013.10.16 10:02:00 - [2] - Quote Infinity Ziona wrote: ... Good for you that you have the option to buy isk. However a lot of people don't like to buy it since it cheapens the whole experience of playing a game. Sort of like buying monopoly money. Others have better things to spend their RL dollars on. Me I sometimes will buy a plex however since I'm attempting to fund 10 stealth bomber alts I'd rather not spend 150 per month. .... See right here is where i'm confused. A PLEX is 500m isk, you're making 100m an hour, so 20% of a PLEX. Works out to about 3$ an hour, correct my maths i suppose but i doubt it's far off. You're willing to spend 5 hrs making enough play money to buy one PLEX when a kid flipping burgers is making substantially more, quicker. Clearly you are going to live forever, there's no other way that works out. Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good.
Chopper Rollins Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 262	Posted - 2013.10.16 11:04:00 - [3] - Quote ElQuirko wrote: Chopper Rollins wrote: when a kid flipping burgers is making substantially more, quicker. "Substantially". When was the last time you got paid to flip burgers? Spoke to an 18 yr old student who worked KFC up until last year. A billion an hour? That's nice. Still rather be derping around with good company doing things i like. That's just me though, having fun with cheerful, insightful people has always drawn me away from scraping up play money. edit: spellening Isk/hr...jesus christ. Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good.
Chopper Rollins Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 262	Posted - 2013.10.16 11:55:00 - [4] - Quote Amber Kurvora wrote: ... How anyone decides to use their game time is up to them. Simple as that. You may not agree with it, but it's not your life they're living. Of course, but when the thread is named High Sec Income vs Null Sec Income- the reality, followed by some figures that prove my point that the richest PVE is still kid's money earned over a long damn time, then we're into metrics not opinions. OP claims to be having a super jolly fun time getting enough spaec moneys to fund 10 bomber alts, which makes me straight up tearful since he doesn't have the personality to pull together 10 people to his cause from the 14k online. Look up OPs threads, he's never wrong. Gets shot out of a lolfit proteus and still declares total omniscience. There's a straight line i'm drawing here. Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good.
Chopper Rollins Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 264	Posted - 2013.10.17 04:17:00 - [5] - Quote Jamwara DelCalicoe Ashley wrote: TharOkha wrote: Chopper Rollins wrote: [ See right here is where i'm confused. A PLEX is 500m isk, you're making 100m an hour, so 20% of a PLEX. Works out to about 3$ an hour, correct my maths i suppose but i doubt it's far off. You're willing to spend 5 hrs making enough play money to buy one PLEX[i] when a kid flipping burgers is making substantially more, quicker. NOT IN EVERY PART OF THIS FKING WORLD DUDE Amen! Praise Bob and pass the ammoz ... Nice caps. If you live in a part of the world where you can't make 3$ an hour then explain why you are either spending 15 a month on interweb spaecships or grinding the isk up to pay for it. My whole point is either way you are wasting money or time. I'm serious, if earning more than 3$ an hour is an issue you have no business paying for this or PVEarning the play money for it. God. Dammit. Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good.
Chopper Rollins Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 264	Posted - 2013.10.17 04:50:00 - [6] - Quote Infinity Ziona wrote: Chopper Rollins wrote: I'm serious, if earning more than 3$ an hour is an issue you have no business paying for this or PVEarning the play money for it. God. Dammit. On the same token, you only really get to buy isk in game because its the lesser of two evils, pay CCP and they make profit from what is essentially buying an advantage in a competitive sandbox or not offer plex and have the game ruined by farmers, botters and cheaters. I could make a very good argument that if you don't have time to play a full game of football, you shouldn't really be playing football and definitely not paying off the referee for 'favourable' calls. if you don't have time for something competitive, buying your way through it is pretty lame, as soon as you pull out the CC you've already lost. I have bought plex before because its 'easier' and I have money but I make no pretense about how lame it is. ... OK i'm out of here, you don't get it. Thinking buying and selling PLEX is cheating or lame makes you a weird roleplayer of some kind and detracts from any point you might be pretending to make about the safety or not of null vs highsec. I scrabbled my way up to 2bn isk +assets and just got bored of the whole my wallet > your wallet joke. The main thing that cured me of it was playing with other people, that's what it's all about. E-peen thread has wasted my time, well done. Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good.
Chopper Rollins Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 271	Posted - 2013.10.23 01:08:00 - [7] - Quote Karrl Tian wrote: Vera Algaert wrote: high-sec income simply doesn't scale across multiple accounts the way afk ishtars/navy vexors do. you can easily run 5+ afk ishtars at 60m/h per account without needing any specialized multiboxing software or breaking a sweat. this nearly linear scalability makes null-sec income vastly better than high-sec income. But dem neuts in mah local... Totally. NPC deaths light up the map and pretty soon there's campers n cloakers n all manner of roaming dingbats. Not a feature of hisec life and a sure crinkle in your waterfall of spaec moneys. Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good.
Chopper Rollins Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 271	Posted - 2013.10.23 06:03:00 - [8] - Quote Richard Ramlrez wrote: ... I can understand though that some people prefer shortcuts than earning by own merits. I don't condone someone with 1-3h a day to play and rather buy ISK to do other things instead of farming.... OH YOU ROLE-PLAYERS, YOU SO CRAY-CRAY! Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good.
Chopper Rollins Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 273	Posted - 2013.10.23 16:14:00 - [9] - Quote Happy people seek risk. Miserable people seek reward. Infinity's every post is self-serving and Jenn i commend your efforts but it's basically welded you to this egomaniacal troll. Sometimes it's really important to let someone be right, especially when they aren't anything else. Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good.
Chopper Rollins Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 275	Posted - 2013.10.24 13:42:00 - [10] - Quote Infinity Ziona wrote: ... I will say this. If you continue to make personal attacks against me I will report every one of them. Translation: Everyone out of the pool, I'm drowning! Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good.

Chopper Rollins Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 364	Posted - 2013.12.18 12:05:00 - [11] - Quote Infinity Ziona wrote: ... I don't play EvE as a second job to collect pretend money. Funny, you used to sound like you did exactly that and i said the above, way back in my first post in this thread. But you are a twisting sort of hard-to-pin-down type, so i guess changing shape to contradict yourself over time serves some purpose. Once i got to about a billion in wallet plus assets, eve became about what i was doing and who with. No amount of officer mods can make anybody a trusted friend, any activity is enjoyable when done with friends who are good company. That's why affecting a superior attitude to 7 guys enjoying their orca n barge fleet mining in 0.5 is always gonna be nothing but oddball behaviour, when you're a solo fleet stacking up play money. Really OP, so many words wasted when all you want to do is feel superior to people you have so little connection to. This fits perfectly the type mentioned in my first post. Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good.
Chopper Rollins Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 369	Posted - 2013.12.20 03:36:00 - [12] - Quote James Amril-Kesh wrote: Shepard Wong Ogeko wrote: I'm still getting a kick out of the OP basically making the argument that since they won millions playing the lottery, everyone could be millionaires by playing the lottery. Then again, companies running lotteries wouldn't be making millions themselves if people didn't fall for this fallacy in real life :negative: Not to mention that if fancy loot dropped with any regularity it wouldn't be worth nearly as much. Now if somebody had kicked a hole in OP with simple arithmetic like that back in page one, maybe there wouldn't be 50 pages of this. Or maybe there would. At least by now OP has definitely left the LOL I TROL JOO territory, so must actually believe the lottery is a source for all to get fabulously wealthy!!! Anyone not doing so must be weak, stupid or some other version of a bad person, it seems. Ass burgers, ass burgers everywhere. Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good.
Chopper Rollins Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 376	Posted - 2013.12.21 08:31:00 - [13] - Quote Chopper Rollins wrote: Confirming null is way easier to make spaec moneys in. Way easier.... So much concern with isk/hr comes from oddball loners who know everything and aren't willing to take their place in a group they can't dominate. ... Not empty self quoting, i've lost track of the posts where OP went on about forcing docking rights in PB, posted dubious screenshots then garbage screenshots that were months out of date. 50 odd pages of dissembling, semantic games, sockpuppetry and proof that the OP longs to brag and look down on others in the service of some secret agenda that interests few and convinces none. Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good.
Chopper Rollins Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 377	Posted - 2013.12.22 06:31:00 - [14] - Quote Nevyn Auscent wrote: ... But trying to pretend that those who actually do bother with the risk in Null and mitigate it appropriately don't make more than a high sec player is a joke. I see you take OP at face value, the point is: OP claims to make bazillions per hr doing what anyone could do if they weren't all sheeplike idiots. Arguing the numbers or viability is missing the whole miserable vampire point. Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good.
Chopper Rollins Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 379	Posted - 2013.12.22 08:58:00 - [15] - Quote baltec1 wrote: ... The mineral prices went up because of the flood of isk which pushed everything else up. The reason why some ships were selling under the build cost is because CCP changed the mineral needs of these ship and the prices could only catch up after all of the old stock had been sold. These mineral changes came in after CCP nerfed incursions and anoms to deal with the isk inflation. Now i'm no friend to Goons, i have to say. But the stuff they're posting here all looks insightful and credible. Particularly the above. It really is relevant to the way Eve is going to work, since the economy could possibly allow the accumulation corner of the accumulation-creation-destruction triangle to completely flop over. Honestly i'm amazed sometimes how this market keeps running, since it could clog at any time with stuff or isk and just halt. It seems to me there is a shortage of destruction sometimes, a shortage it would hurt nobody to change. Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good.
Chopper Rollins Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 379	Posted - 2013.12.22 10:53:00 - [16] - Quote Nevyn Auscent wrote: Other than the small aspect that miners are still paid sweat shop wages in EVE. So saying 'Runaway inflation' when they went from dirt poor to still dirt poor levels of income really isn't true. And the drone poo nerf/gun mining nerf had a much bigger impact on the minerals market than any incursion income ever did. If you can even separate them, the market certainly showed no signs of the incursion income changes. Stuff about the incursions changing prices etc has been adressed, so i just have to say: Highsec, Mining, Wealth...choose two. I mined up stupid amounts of crokite, spodumain and arkonor in between roams and attempted ganks for 6 months in null. Never been a hardcore miner but i've always enjoyed it since day one. The list of ships my hulk avoided dying to is something i'm proud of. OK i don't have numbers but when it was time to move i remember firesaling 100m worth of croke for 100 isk to a bro heavy into building. I had so much high end minerals it was redonkulous. Solo mining, by the way, interrupted by all the pvp you could shake a stick at. If someone mines for the money, he must leave empire or admit to a really queasy form of masochism. OK you can be casual and just snork up a few belts with your corpies, but don't ever mention to me your issues with gankers, low income or wardecs, these are things you can leave behind in a week. You don't have to be leet or awesome to do it either. TL:DR; Sweatshop wages? 90% of roids in Eve never get troubled by miners. Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good.

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